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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:44 pm
by pbgroupie
Apple snails have both a lung and a gill so yes, they can breathe underwater. If they have their siphons out though, they aren't really happy or the water isn't oxigenated enough.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:02 pm
by caitylee
I don't have a petsmart here, just petco and petsupermarket. I like petco for supplies but not to much for fish or snails. Their policy is to keep aquarium salt in all of their tanks, even though I mentioned that is should not be in the tank with the cories as they can't handle that much salt. But what do I know :o

Luckily they don't sell snails because they can't keep them alive, so they quite buying them.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:31 am
by Sand
oh good PBGROUPIE, glad to know they can breathe. well it's quite bubbly in there with a big waterfall and tons of plants, so maybe they were just seeing if they could find land!
hey caitylee! ya we have petsupermarket here too. they are pretty great as they will not carry snails in case of parasites :) heeheehee good! plus they have this wonderful UV sterilization system. one day one of the guys opened up the filter room up and showed me. of course one of the girls did tell me the other day not to worry about the bettas in the small container bcuz they are from a place where they live in small little puddles and that the little cup probably seemed big.... :wasntme:

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:09 pm
by caitylee
Yeah my petsupermarkets pretty good, they have one guy that knows a lot about birds and another that knows a lot about fish (I know kuz we quizzed him :lol: ) Most of their fish look good and are in the proper tanks. Its not bad really, I just don't buy fish from them to often.

I see Sand that you live in Clearwater, I used to live in Oldsmar and now I live in Sebring (By the sebring international raceway) We are practically neighbors

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:55 pm
by Sand
oh cool cait. ya I'm actually in Palm Harbor (which no one has ever heard of), so I usually say Cleawater or Tarpon Springs since most people have heard of one of those! Isn't the weather GREAT right now! GOD!It was in the 70's yesterday and stayed there! Winter fall and spring in Florida is great!

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:48 pm
by caitylee
No one usually knows where Avon Park is so I usually say Sebring. I know exactly where Palm Harbor is (been there many times) My Aunt lives in Holiday/New Port Richey.

It was very nice here this past week when it wasn't raining like crazy.

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:52 pm
by Josh Young
Bump,

Because it is a couple years later and Petsmart locally (Utah) neglects the snails to death as well.
Not to mention poor customer service and bad information about care of these things.

If snails had fur, then people would be furious about the animal cruelty involved here, but snails are thought of as gross, so few people have any sympathy for them. It lets Petsmart and other stores kill potentially thousands of these animals every year, due to preventable neglect and inadequate conditions.

Too bad charges can't be brought up against the corporate office for animal cruelty.

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:52 pm
by Sand
ya REALLY. then they'd take good care of them, or better yet-quit selling them there.

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:20 am
by daphne2235
When I bought my apple snail there were maybe 25 snails in a small tank. The water was yellowish and it smelled horrible

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:12 am
by Kassidy411
Yellow water is unacceptable, but petsmart does have high standards. They cannot have any fish to their Permanent needings, reason why they have small tanks. The under water creatures are only they temporarily, and will be given a full need permanent home. Having 2.5 gallons per snails, cannot happen in a petsmart store. Tanks, first would cost too much, and not needed as the water creatures arent there permanently.

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:44 am
by Winterlily
They cannot have any fish to their Permanent needings

What's that mean?

I have to disagree with the high standards part. And just because an animal is being housed temporarily in a place does not mean they should be ludicrously overcrowded. Obviously they have to crowd a bit more than we would - even in a great shop the fish are crowded more than we would - but most of the PetSmarts I've seen keep 20+ decent sized brigs/diffusa in a medium size Kritter Keeper, which is usually then jammed in with their plants. There's no reason why they can't take a couple of their many 10 gallon tanks and put those same snails in there.
Tanks, first would cost too much, and not needed as the water creatures arent there permanently.

?? None of the creatures - aquatic or furry or feathered - are there permanently. That doesn't mean they are allowed to ridiculously overcrowd. They would never be allowed (there are state and federal laws about exactly this kind of thing) to so horribly overcrowd, for example, their hamsters or guinea pigs - which are also there but temporarily. No other animal is so badly crowded that they are literally piled atop on another. So, because they aren't living there forever, they don't deserve decent housing until they move on? A large portion of those WAY overcrowded brigs/diffusa you see in Petsmart never make it to a new home to enjoy more spacious living (ever see how many tightly closed up snails and empty shells there are?). They might have, though, if they were kept in at least acceptable enclosures. Nope - sorry - gotta disagree big time with the high standards thing and that decent housing isn't needed because they aren't there forever.
The water was yellowish and it smelled horrible

Nice. :nono: Sounds medicated. Great.

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:07 pm
by Kassidy411
but most of the PetSmarts I've seen keep 20+ decent sized brigs/diffusa in a medium size Kritter Keeper, which is usually then jammed in with their plants. There's no reason why they can't take a couple of their many 10 gallon tanks and put those same snails in there.
You should contact the manger or someone above him/her. Conditions should not be that way. the petsmarts(yes more then 1 :P) all have at least 10 gallon tanks for water animals, and their cages for birds and gerbils are big enough for the animals as well.

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:08 pm
by Winterlily
That's kind of my point, yes. Conditions should not be that way but they *are* in many Petsmarts. You may happen to have a particularly good one who DOES have high standards - you are very, very lucky. That doesn't mean that they *all* have high standards, though, any more than one bad Petsmart means all of them stink. Sweeping generalizations like that don't work in either direction. Of course there are many Petsmarts - MANY. I have seen only a handful of them. I can only tell you that with very few exceptions (of those I have been in), the employees are not terribly knowledgable and the snails not well kept. Not a lot different than most pet shops, granted, but I've not seen anything in any of the Petsmarts I've been in that would have me agreeing with that they have "high standards."
the petsmarts(yes more then 1 :P) all have at least 10 gallon tanks for water animals

Well no, clearly not all do, no. That's my point. You can't say "all" Petsmarts do anything. You can really only say that yours does (or any others you've been in) - but not all. Because all Petsmarts don't keep their snails in at least a 10 gallon tank. Mine doesn't, Daphne's doesn't. At least 5 in a tri-state area around here that I've been to don't. Again, perhaps you have a particularly well-run one - count yourself (and the snails!) lucky for that. But don't assume every single Petsmart is run the same way. They aren't all.

(And yes - I have no problem with the amount of small animals kept in cages in Petsmarts. I don't feel they're overcrowded at all. If you reread that part, you'll see I was using it as an example saying that a place wouldn't be *allowed* to overcrowd the small animals as they do with the snails.)

(Edited to fix a typo!)

Re: PetSmart

PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:39 pm
by Kassidy411
i was saying all the tanks in the store