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WalMart Kills!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:11 am
by BettaLover
I saw a very sad sight at WalMart tonight, while picking up some marbles to decorate the bottoms of my tanks:

There was a tank with Black Moors, Fancy Goldfish, and Apple ("Mystery") snails. There was a sign on the tank that said it was being "treated" and that the animals inside could not be sold.

Of the 30 or so black and gold snails in there, about half were dead, and another group seemed to be dying. The snails that weren't dead or dying were eating the dead snails...which might be harmful if they died of a bacterial problem.

On top of this, there was a Black Moor who should have been in the prime of his life, floating on his side at the top...a goner.

On top of THIS, it took me forever to find anyone to help me. No one was monitoring the pet area, and I finally dragged someone over, and demanded that they at least remove the dead Moor. I told them that bacteria would flourish in these conditions, and that ~everyone~ in the tank was going to wind up dead, and soon.

They removed the Moor, but only at my insistance. I told them about the mass snail graveyard going on at the bottom of the tank, but the girl just looked at it. She didn't seem to be able to tell a live snail from a dead one, even if other snails were eating it. (To be fair, it wasn't her department.)


Anyway, 'tis the season and all that, and I hate to bring people "down," but a warning to one and all: beware when buying live creatures at WalMart. No one knows how to care for them, it would seem!

On another thread, someone suggested that we, the people who know, should make up little stickers with instructions on how to care for the snails, and sneak them onto the tanks. It was suggested in jest, but now, I think it's a good idea!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:28 pm
by crystal blue
I whole heartedly agree with you BettaLover. :yes:

I was in our local WalMart yesterday and I just had to walk by the fish tanks. :( :( I sure wish now that I hadn't done that!

They had snails...........lots of snails. Big snails. In clean tanks with no sign of food. The supplier was probably thining out his breeding stock. The snails were green with algae and most had chipped apertures. Some showed poor shell conditions and poor growth rings.
Most of them were clustered together in piles.

One had a badly broken shell. One poor thing was clinging to the side of the tank. It had to be 2 1/2" and it's foot was only about the size of a nickel. :err:

And I am talking about the ones that were still alive. :cry: :cry:

If someone knows how the make lables, I'd sure be willing to stick them on WalMart tanks.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:38 pm
by Dimitra
Michigan Walmart stores have the same dead animals. My last trip in they had tiny just barely not tadpole any more albino african clawed frogs in small 1/2 cup sized plastic cups and maybe a 1/4 inch of water in with it, about a 1/3 of them were dead. I'm pretty sure they had never been fed in their short lives. No care sheet, or instruction or info that said this tiny pink frog will grow to be hand sized, gobble small fish, and escape the tank on a regular basis. I emailed a complaint to Walmart that day but I am ashamed to admit when they replied 2 weeks later requiring my address and store info I blew it off and did not reply.

I don't think these kind of stores should be allowed to have any small animals for sale as it has to be a miserable existence. Even Petsmart can be pretty bad with their animals and that is geared totally towards pets. I won't go into the stores and purchase that I have seen poor conditions and hopefully other people do the same. And no there isn't much store worker can tell you about the pets available when they are there for a paycheck and not an interest in or any knowledge of the care of the animals.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:48 pm
by patricia379
OK why don't ALL of us, and anyone else we can get to do or snail mail walmart heads and complain? Since most of us visit walmarts we can monitor the conditions and report back and if things haven't shaped up, we will do the same thing again and again.

I think I'll call a few Critter defender groups and see what they have to say.

I know snails are considered a 'throw away' item in most stores, but that doesn't make it right or humane.

One can print out labels from one's computer. If you don't have a printer go to a local Kinko's or similar store and I am sure for a small fee they will print some out or one can use a pc/printer combo there and make up there own.

Heck, even a hand written label would help.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:46 pm
by BettaLover
These are horrific stories!

One could even type up a label, on an old-fashioned typewriter!

I'm all for a group-complaint to WalMart.

What are some of the Critter watchgroups who would be interested in this?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:46 am
by Donya
I'll have to look into it, but has petitions monthly I believe. It's mainly aimed at the "ask an expert" set of forums for pet care, but there might be a way to voice a complaint about walmart there and see if anyone else would like to make a complaint.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:55 am
by patricia379
I believe is open to any reports of abuse and they always have petitions going around and information on voicing complaints etc.

Like the saying goes: "Is the heart of any less value because it beats under a covering of fur, feathers or scales?" (I would add shell)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:20 am
by BettaLover
Thank you for the info. I ~will~ follow up on this! (I feel sad for the poor guys who can't speak up and/or fight for their rights themselves. SOMEONE has to take up their part!)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:44 am
by patricia379
Yes, we have to be the 'voice for the voiceless'

:snail: <---thanks !

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:50 am
by BettaLover
I just found out that Walmart has a phone number:


It's "after business hours" right now, but I intend to give a call during business hours, and...well..."give 'em the business" for what they are doing to these pets.

I am not above taking photographs of the mistreated animals, and circulating them around...I guess circulating them around anyone who will listen.

:snail: You're welcome, little friends! :D

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:18 am
by patricia379
I'll use the phone number, but taking pictures should get some positive action if nothing else does.

Good idea. :D

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:58 am
by BugBarb
You can buy sticker/self adhesive sheets of paper designed for use on printers. They probably sell it at walmart..... You can even buy the clear film sticker stuff.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:33 am
by BettaLover it ethical for me to buy printer paper at WalMart to print up educational messages about mistreataed fish and snails at WalMart? ;)

To be truthful, two of the snails I used to have, Tiny Tim and Baby Bubba, were from WalMart. But that was before I knew how much they "care" about their animals. Now, I'm just glad that I got those two boys out of there, so that the remainder of their lives could be happy and healthy.

EVERY time I go into any pet store, I always check out the fish department, and let the management know about anything out of sorts.


A second thought: all four of my snails seemed to die rather suddenly. They were all housed together. I wonder if the "WalMart Snails" brought anything nasty into the tank, that was a silent killer? It's too late now, of course, and I will always maintain that my snails were incredibly wonderful, but I can't hep but wonder if, somehow, WalMart is at the root of all this.

It never occurred to me, until I wrote this post about how the two snails came from WalMart! :o

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:12 am
by airwen
That's so sad! I didn't even know Walmart carried snails, I should go to my local one and look for imperfections :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:47 am
by BettaLover
When I'm there, I always check it out, and if anything is wrong, I mention it to them. I've been surprisingly fortunate about getting employees who actually kind of care, a little, and who remove the dead fellows right away, and (even) ask me for my opinions on what they should do, sometimes.

I am the Lorax of the Walmart. :)


Not doing so well right very first Betta, Alpha, is extremely sick, and hasn't eaten in 3 1/2 days. I don't want to make a big deal, or start a thread, or anything, because he's a fish, not a snail...but I REALLY haven't been around lately, and that's one of the main reasons...I've been keeping a vigil over Alpha, and talking to experts about what is to be done. He's getting the best treatment possible. So all I can do now is wait.

I hope that all of my friends that I haven't seen in awhile are doing well, and all of my "new friends that I just haven't met yet" are doing well, and that EVERYONE'S snails are happy, healthy, and well fed! :)